3in11
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Post by 3in11 on Sept 24, 2014 22:43:35 GMT
24-09-14 Crystal Palace 2-3 Newcastle Utd. AET.
Yeah, we lost. Against 10 men near the end. Bollocks! Palace put out an almost completely different side from saturday's little epic at Goodison and paid the price. We COULD have won(obviously) had we put out a few more first choice players -especially if we'd had Speroni instead of Hennessy in goal.....I thought he was meant to keep Speroni on his toes but on this showing the only effect will probably be the opposite, Premiership quality he isn't. Most interesting event of the night was the total dampening of the atmosphere in Selhurst Park when the announcement "The winners tonight will face Manchester City away" was made! Plenty of mixed emotions there. It made losing ALMOST bearable. Amazing how disliked/hated Alan Pardew is at Palace. He was 90% crap when he played for us and apart from scoring against Manure in the 1990 Final, never really made any positive impact on the Palace faithful. There's been plenty of rumour-mongering about him being Steve Parish's mate and a possible future manager at Palace. Thankfully he's managed(how?) to hang on to the hot seat at NUFC, so that rumour has amounted to nothing but there would be a riot if it looked liked happening in the future. How can anybody be that shite and keep his job? I would have loved to have seen us put a near full strength side out,thrashed the Toon (idiot me predicted 7-1)and cost him his job. But anyway, The League Cup? What's the point? A chance to see how the fringe players are coming on? Or a chance for those fringe players to show the weakness of your squad....Arsenal yesterday were exactly the same. I could maybe see the point if the PL sides only entered in later rounds. If you need to see how the fringe players are getting on, it'd be far better to have a couple of friendlies IMO. Much as I think the basic idea is flawed, the suggestion that we have a 'B' team league might also be a better option. Losing in a game like tonight's does absolutely nothing for a player's confidence and does very little for the supporters likewise. What do you Blues think?
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Post by dorf on Sept 24, 2014 23:14:51 GMT
Seems like every team is playing fringe players in that cup. I thought only the 'Big Guns' did that. It might as well be scrapped if that's the case. I'd like to win it because we haven't won anything in years but I couldn't tell you the winners of the competition after 1992. So that says a lot about it.
In regard to Alan Pardew: didn't he score for you lot against Liverp**l in the FA Cup Semi-Final in 1990? It's the only thing I like about him apart from that he's a smug git. I
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Post by Avinalaff on Sept 25, 2014 5:21:31 GMT
It's important that a manager keeps his job for as long as possible in my book.
Right now, our own manager Roberto Martinez can't do right for me. Nearly everything he does annoys the hell out of me at the moment from the poor performances (they weren't poor to start the season, just careless) to the positivity bollocks which I find cheesey, but no way would I want him sacked. I might say it in anger, but I believe that there will always be good times and bad, just like with a marriage, so I'm not the kind to bail out at the first sign of things going wrong, although that doesn't mean I won't object.
Pardew is going through a bad patch, but they might as well stay with him, as the alternatives are just the same old merry-go-round of managers who fail in their previous jobs, and move on, so what's the point in changing?
Let them get to know the job, and the club, and hopefully the team, and have patience.
Most of the time it's players who don't try enough that causes teams to go down. You have to make sure you buy leaders, and not sheep.
Palace for me have often hired managers that I liked as people, or at least their persona on TV, so it's good that they do that, as the first time they hire a ***** manager I'd probably hate them ha ha.
I liked Moyes, but near the end he was smug, and I think a little karma bit him in the ass.
The league cup seems to be more important to fans than it does to clubs, so not sure why half the clubs bother. If fans are paying full money to watch, they should get a full team and a full effort from that team. You wouldn't go to a rock concert and put up with half arsed performances, so why do clubs think that is acceptable?
Sides who have no chance of league success often do well in cups. Only teams with huge squads of talent tend to do both. Man City can put a B team out that would compete for the league, such is the craziness of it all. I'm still trying to understand the so called Fair Play ruling, as the big teams are still spending.
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3in11
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Post by 3in11 on Sept 25, 2014 10:34:31 GMT
It's important that a manager keeps his job for as long as possible in my book. Right now, our own manager Roberto Martinez can't do right for me. Nearly everything he does annoys the hell out of me at the moment from the poor performances (they weren't poor to start the season, just careless) to the positivity bollocks which I find cheesey, but no way would I want him sacked. I might say it in anger, but I believe that there will always be good times and bad, just like with a marriage, so I'm not the kind to bail out at the first sign of things going wrong, although that doesn't mean I won't object. Pardew is going through a bad patch, but they might as well stay with him, as the alternatives are just the same old merry-go-round of managers who fail in their previous jobs, and move on, so what's the point in changing? Let them get to know the job, and the club, and hopefully the team, and have patience. Most of the time it's players who don't try enough that causes teams to go down. You have to make sure you buy leaders, and not sheep. Palace for me have often hired managers that I liked as people, or at least their persona on TV, so it's good that they do that, as the first time they hire a ***** manager I'd probably hate them ha ha. I liked Moyes, but near the end he was smug, and I think a little karma bit him in the ass. The league cup seems to be more important to fans than it does to clubs, so not sure why half the clubs bother. If fans are paying full money to watch, they should get a full team and a full effort from that team. You wouldn't go to a rock concert and put up with half arsed performances, so why do clubs think that is acceptable? Sides who have no chance of league success often do well in cups. Only teams with huge squads of talent tend to do both. Man City can put a B team out that would compete for the league, such is the craziness of it all. I'm still trying to understand the so called Fair Play ruling, as the big teams are still spending. Fair points. Yes, most Managers do need time. But.....when a team isn't giving it's all on the pitch, who has failed to motivate them? The Manager. I think that in Pardew's case, he has survived because 1) He's made a profit on the transfer market, and 2) Because the Toon's fans do at least 50% of the motivating. The questions are around his tactical ability and the sort of football his sides produce - both very difficult to define on the last year's showing. Martinez however does produce some superb performances from his teams and whilst there are questions around your defence, he did produce a certain solidity at Wigan playing 5-3-2. He does not lack motivation and your fans are the equals of Newcastle in adding motivation. Palace Managers, well yes, very subjective.....some have left a 'bad smell' behind when departing - Dougie Freedman chased the cash at Bolton(what an irony!) and Tony Pulis....words fail me. The League Cup has been continuously devalued since Ferguson started the trend towards playing a 2nd XI 20 odd years ago. That's now set the pattern for all clubs who 'rightly' prioritise on the competions with the biggest financial rewards. It still has real meaning(and provides a real reward) for lower tier outfits though. So perhaps, in the larger scheme of things, Premiership sides are actually helping their poorer brethren in not giving it their full attention. But, as you say, we pay to see a quality product and often don't get it. EDIT: Also worth considering: In this era of 'squad' football, does it help certain players to know that they'll only get a run-out in meaningless or 'easy' games? It seems to me that half the squad will always be labelled '2nd best' and this is more likely to have a detrimental effect not only on individual players(some will get extra motivation from it but most won't) but also on the squad's togetherness/bonding/identity.
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Post by Avinalaff on Sept 25, 2014 14:36:25 GMT
It's important that a manager keeps his job for as long as possible in my book. Right now, our own manager Roberto Martinez can't do right for me. Nearly everything he does annoys the hell out of me at the moment from the poor performances (they weren't poor to start the season, just careless) to the positivity bollocks which I find cheesey, but no way would I want him sacked. I might say it in anger, but I believe that there will always be good times and bad, just like with a marriage, so I'm not the kind to bail out at the first sign of things going wrong, although that doesn't mean I won't object. Pardew is going through a bad patch, but they might as well stay with him, as the alternatives are just the same old merry-go-round of managers who fail in their previous jobs, and move on, so what's the point in changing? Let them get to know the job, and the club, and hopefully the team, and have patience. Most of the time it's players who don't try enough that causes teams to go down. You have to make sure you buy leaders, and not sheep. Palace for me have often hired managers that I liked as people, or at least their persona on TV, so it's good that they do that, as the first time they hire a ***** manager I'd probably hate them ha ha. I liked Moyes, but near the end he was smug, and I think a little karma bit him in the ass. The league cup seems to be more important to fans than it does to clubs, so not sure why half the clubs bother. If fans are paying full money to watch, they should get a full team and a full effort from that team. You wouldn't go to a rock concert and put up with half arsed performances, so why do clubs think that is acceptable? Sides who have no chance of league success often do well in cups. Only teams with huge squads of talent tend to do both. Man City can put a B team out that would compete for the league, such is the craziness of it all. I'm still trying to understand the so called Fair Play ruling, as the big teams are still spending. Fair points. Yes, most Managers do need time. But.....when a team isn't giving it's all on the pitch, who has failed to motivate them? The Manager. I think that in Pardew's case, he has survived because 1) He's made a profit on the transfer market, and 2) Because the Toon's fans do at least 50% of the motivating. The questions are around his tactical ability and the sort of football his sides produce - both very difficult to define on the last year's showing. Martinez however does produce some superb performances from his teams and whilst there are questions around your defence, he did produce a certain solidity at Wigan playing 5-3-2. He does not lack motivation and your fans are the equals of Newcastle in adding motivation. Palace Managers, well yes, very subjective.....some have left a 'bad smell' behind when departing - Dougie Freedman chased the cash at Bolton(what an irony!) and Tony Pulis....words fail me. The League Cup has been continuously devalued since Ferguson started the trend towards playing a 2nd XI 20 odd years ago. That's now set the pattern for all clubs who 'rightly' prioritise on the competions with the biggest financial rewards. It still has real meaning(and provides a real reward) for lower tier outfits though. So perhaps, in the larger scheme of things, Premiership sides are actually helping their poorer brethren in not giving it their full attention. But, as you say, we pay to see a quality product and often don't get it. EDIT: Also worth considering: In this era of 'squad' football, does it help certain players to know that they'll only get a run-out in meaningless or 'easy' games? It seems to me that half the squad will always be labelled '2nd best' and this is more likely to have a detrimental effect not only on individual players(some will get extra motivation from it but most won't) but also on the squad's togetherness/bonding/identity. I think a lot of players too are 'chasing the money' which is why they appear to be content to be back up. Joel Robles is not even getting cup games for us at present, and yet Tim Howard has one good game followed by one disaster. Any footballer would surely be demanding to be given his chance under these circumstances.
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